These were followed immediately in 1937 (#278xxx) by the model 6M VIII, marked as such. Its been done with the Buescher New Aristocrats to some degree, but only because theyre such prized classical instruments and the variations are fewer neck stamps01, **, 3in a very limited serial range of #263k-268k (1931-34). This list is not correct for Conn saxophones (see Conn Woodwind Serial Numbers) or Conn bugles (see Pan American Brass Serial Numbers). Some had sterling silver necks (add 20%), very few were silver plated (add 20%), Ive seen a gold one, although I was not totally convinced it was original. Tenor $1200 Yes, it was around serial number 263,000 that Conn changed the tenor saxes from two-sided to one-sided bell keys, and this is usually described as the end of the Transitional period and the beginning of the 10M or Artist series. So saxophones may not be numbered sequentially. I will be adding more soon, as well as checking for accuracy and updating these with more historical and instrument information. Alto $ 800 If the horns were indeed floor models, why have I never seen others outside of that serial range, and why were they ALSO mis-stamped? It seems to have been There were 2 sets of Conn models that had M prefacing the serial number, and this often a source of confusion. Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. are used by permission. bored :). ( deduct 20%) ; the alto lost its microtuner in the 50s; the tenor got an underslung octave mechanism in the 50s; and they all gained nickel keywork. Relacquers are generally worth 25% less than 100% originals. Some of these are beautifully engraved (add 10%). Bare Brass (4) The Eb/C mechanism is genius; the articulated low C#/Bb mechanism should be on all horns. of this website's content, please e-mail saxpics@gmail.com Sopranino, soprano, baritone, and bass Mk VIs were made until the introduction of the Super 80 series. Baritone low A $7200. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Add 20% for gold plate. During the 1920's Conn dominated the booming saxophone business in the US along with its . thumbrest on some models. 1, 1881 C.G. Toward the high end of the serial number range you begin to see some examples that look like 400 bells on Aristocrat bodies. Tenor Zephyr $ 2400 : Highly polished brass throughout, pearl inlaid finger tips They have an A after the serial number. hand burnished. the only horn that had any DESIGN CHANGES was the Eb alto. Conn Saxophone model numbers Italics indicates "educated guess". > Satin Gold Plate (0) * The S prefix, while used until the mid-80s, was not always seen on serial numbers. The markingVIIIappears until about 1945. rolled-tone-holes, Bb Tenor Naked Lady with 269169, and this is 269167. Deduct for needed repairs and/or restoration to original condition. That includes cornets, trumpets, horns, trombones, euphoniums and basses. BALANCED ACTION 21751 35800 The Beauty of Saxophones: Fully Engraved 1932 Selmer Cigar Cutter Alto Saxophone, Original 1931 Conn Alto Saxophone Warranty Booklet. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. article. Europe. We have this very nice Conn Transitional alto saxophone for sale. design) were probably discontinued by this time. Tenor $1400 for alto and tenor, RH side for baritone and bass). Alto Super 20 $2600 see above commentary for adjustments > Silver & Gold (1) See our cookie policy here. Curved Bb Soprano 1, 1881 C.G. There After that, altos were simply marked 6M, probably without design changes. This may just be paranoia as I have never heard of this happening, nor can I understand how it could happen. only gold-plated horns I have seen throughout this series > Satin Gold Plate (0) This Resources. Tenor $ 3000 Nothing else is quite like it. Connstellation Model (28M) Years: 1950 - 1952 Serials: 328000 - 351000 (2 specimens) C.G. DAddario Reserve alto mouthpiece (review), Understanding Transposition for Saxophones, Our friendly & informative saxophone forum. The necks have a new, quicker-changing microtuner. > Nickel Silver plated ones bring 20% more, Ive never seen a gold plated one. I have only addressed instruments for which there is a regular and established market, so not every model is included. 2 ("Silver, Gold Bell"): Body heavily silver plated, The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". Less evident Over the next few years, features would be introduced to Conns saxophone line that resulted by about 1934 in a saxophone that was light years ahead in craftsmanship, mechanical design, and intonation compared to the New Wonder Series II. Similar adjustments for finish. Selmer has the only legitimate claim to be the direct successor of Adolphe Sax. These horns are much more desirable than any of their ancestors. Made in 1930, with wonderful art-deco engraving. I have personally worked on two tenors and an alto built by Conn that were stamped with an X after the serial number. SUPERBA I From 1987 on, the two-digit prefix number plus 50 will give you the year of manufacture. Basically the same horn as the 22. It could mean alto, which would have been an easy way to keep track of how many altos (the most popular model by far) were selling vs. tenors, baritones, and such. However, finish choice is mentioned on the Conn 18M Bb Soprano, Straight VII No. Alto $1000 Starting at serial #245xxx, the low Bb keycup moves to the left side of the bell, the octave key moves to the underside of the neck, and the one-piece thumbhook is replaced by a swivel assembly. > Silver that had most of the features of a New Wonder model, but with [About XI No. 32. Silver plate commands a 20% premium; gold a 30% premium. I saw this No,No, the M prefix denotes the ARTIST models eg.M266xxxA (my late tranny/6M). Support TTS - buy some of our exciting products: Why do people sometimes mask the last three digits of a serial number? Alto $ 2000 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. If it has been stolen recently, the legal owner may have registered it with an online database of stolensaxophones. Baritone $1800. In other words, You are very sure there is no model number there. fork Eb trill disappears "TRANSITIONAL" 240XXX - 260XXX . Conn then continued this finish choice for years. Satin Alto Typewriter $ 1600 didn't change until around 263xxx. They are often beautifully engraved. I have a customer who owns one. Ask the seller privately for the number and do a search for that instrument. If you find an Plate (2) Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. 1 ("Silver & Gold"): Body heavily silver plated, a pentagon. Very dark tone, great workmanship. The first transitional feature to appear on the altos is the sculpted/raised side E touchpiece, the earliest example of which I have seen was on a 234,xxx horn that was with that one design exception a run-of-the-mill New Wonder Series II. SUPER DYNACTION Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. for about what that horn would have cost today.). Ive seen a couple of people pay some really stupid prices for these. The 10M production stayed in Elkhart until the end. 7 The years 1967 to March 1974 (when Conn moved their brass manufacturing to Abilene, Texas), is a period where at least some of the instruments were inferior in quality Alto $1800 Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. > direct mechanical action. This series . The engraving is usually not too elaborate. Model: Start # End # Worcester: 1 (1888) 3,200 (1898) Wonder Improved: unknown (1895) 41,000 (1917) New Invention: 16,000 (1910) 23,000 (1912) . All the new ones have a yellow At the same time theprefixletter M, used on all saxes since 1924, is dropped. WordPress Development by Madhav Saxena (Namas Solutions LLC), Conn Saxophones: A History of Excellence and Innovation, Saxophones & Saxophone Equipment for Sale. The last major feature to change over was the pinky table, which is a New Wonder II style (albeit with a smooth rather than crosshatched G#) until about 249,xxx. page. To be clear, I will use the term New Wonder II style transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the New Wonder II, and 6M transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the 6M. This is most evident in the change from The neck gained a tenon skirt to assist in sealing and aid Ive never seen a gold example. Curved soprano $ 2200 Deduct 20% if keyed to Eb only Vintage Buescher, Conn, Martin, King & Selmer Serial Numbers, Connstellation Rolled tone holes discontinued. model, but with split bell keys. C soprano $1000 MUST have original mouthpiece . Bass $ 7500. MODELE 22 750 4450 Updated text on 1911 Large bore Bb and C. Updated Cornet model number . They lost their rolled tone holes after WWII. during this era you could get: - A horn After 1937 all 26Ms were marked VIII until the end of production in 1942. On the one hand, this could simply mean that a body tube was stamped accidentally in the second digit with a zero- which would give it a serial from an earlier run, and the X was to denote a horn with a duplicate serial number. Tenor $ 3500 While Conn generally used the numbers to refer to finish, Play one in good adjustment and youll see what I mean. > Silver & Gold (1) Straight Alto $10,000 My personal favorite 10M (best ever) is actually only 2 serial numbers later than this one! Therefore they probably had a couple batches going at the same time, and thus needed a way to differentiate between the batches coexisting at the factory when they switched to a new process or modified the design in a non-obvious way, such as slightly different internal dimensions or something like that. These are the very best of the Aristocrat series. Bass $ 7500. yet to see one and it's not in any of the catalogs I've seen > Burnished Please So, This cookie, set by YouTube, registers a unique ID to store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. I believe that the models before the Balanced Action are overpriced. Ive always thought that horns without the optional high F# key played a little better. This is NOT original. MARTIN HORNS THROUGH 1933 Ive used a The Martin baritone for years. In the late 1950's, For altos, the serial number range of the transitional horns is roughly 234,000 to 270,000- give or take a few- which means from roughly 1930 to 1935. new "longer" design and the bari and bass didn't all pitches were completely transitioned to the "Naked 1927 catalog. The test_cookie is set by doubleclick.net and is used to determine if the user's browser supports cookies. I am currently working on measuring Conn transitional necks, and when I have a conclusion (if I reach one) I will post it here. Straight soprano $2000 8 This Lady" one-side-bell-key M series by ABOUT 263xxx. ARISTOCRAT 330XXX 360XXX Alto 28M $ 4000 plastic keyguard must be intact > Nickel Plate (6) from 1930 to 1940. Its important that the serial numbers on the neck match the body. Eb Baritone There are, of course, a very few Super 20 baritones, some with silver necks (add 15%) and I have seen one with a silver bell. NEW ARISTOCRAT 255XXX 270XXX > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 10M These are merely the most obvious physical changes to the alto, which also had an entirely new and much-improved key mechanism and a new body tube, giving improved intonation and much easier volume control. The sp_t cookie is set by Spotify to implement audio content from Spotify on the website and also registers information on user interaction related to the audio content. My current opinion is that there were either a couple Years: 1931 - 1934 Serials: 244700 - 259999 (17 specimens) M Series Naked Lady. or Best Offer. They are the best of the vintage baritones. > Satin Gold Plate (0) I thought this was standard on the gold plated These are very common horns, which play rather nicely when set up properly. The Conn 6M Transitional Saxophone The name 6M "Transitional" is a blanket term applied by saxophone collectors and players to the alto saxophones made by C. G. Conn Ltd. during the period of evolution from the New Wonder Series II alto saxophone to the 6M "Artist" alto saxophone. There is a very good reason that demand (and prices) for these horns is so high: although not without their quirks, these are wonderful instruments. HOME > SAXOPHONE > Saxophone Info > Serial Numbers. It has not yet been overhauled, and is pictured in its current state with pads that are about 50 years old. The totally new design carried over some of the great View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. It's there. Interestingly, And lastly, here is a tenor example of a horn with the NM stamp. The soprano models usually have keywork to high G, and have conventional palm key layout. and the baritone and bass models were soon offered keyed to We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. (It may possibly just have been the NATL neck, as at least one sax has been noted with both stampings). C melody $ 800 Soprano $2000 Fat sound and great intonation. this means that Conn's baritone and bass had more advanced Plate (2) corrections, suggestions or picture submissions: saxpics@gmail.com. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. body to bell cage pantsguard added 3811713 - 3821881. > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 8M IX No. Berry played a tenor saxophone almost identical to this one. Grafton Acrylic Alto Saxophone; HOLTON. 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