The fouling was a bit heavier in the Marlin 1894, but it was easily removed. I figured Hornady 20-grain V-MAX bullets would pretty much drop out of the air after they reached 200 yards, but the tiny bullets surprised me. About the same time, Hornady introduced its version of the 25-grain HPand this was (and is) an excellent bullet, though sadly it appears to be out of production at the moment. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. Hornadys 15.5-grain NTX (Non-Traditional eXpanding) bullet is a polymer-tipped, lead-free (California legal) option allowing screaming velocity combined with dramatic terminal performance on small varmints. But he became best known for the development of wildcat and improved cartridges bearing his name. This American-made, double-base spherical powder is a slower derivative of A-2230. A 9.5-grain charge of LilGun shot five 20-grain Bergers in .78 inch at 100 yards. Ive been wrong before when predicting the cartridge-buying habits of small game hunters, but I hope Im not wrong about the .17 Hornady Hornet. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. Whereas CFE BLK proved to be an excellent choice for the two 17 Hornets, shot-to-shot velocity spread was quite high when it was asked to burn in the roomier case of the 17 Fireball. The best groups resulted from 18 grains of N133 (.66 inch at 3,822 fps, including very low extreme velocity spreads), a 19 grain maximum load of IMR-8308 XBR (.73-inch at 3,874 fps) and 16 grains of LT-30 (.75 inch at 3,622 fps). The barrels of the Ruger Model 77/17H and the Remington XP-100 had accumulated some, but it vanished after only three applications of solvent. A proprietary hollowpoint design makes these bullets explosive on varmints, the lead-free composition making them relatively long for weight. All are clean burning and temperature insensitive. .17 Remington (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 77 loads. I began my shooting tests by using Barnes CR-10 solvent to ensure no copper fouling lurked in the barrels of the test guns. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. The Hammer 18 grain Dead Blow and Nosler 20 grain Varmageddon bullets deserve further experimentation, as I obviously didnt do my part though I did demonstrate what didnt work, which is something. Another Bee Ill hang onto for a while is a Marlin 1894. The .17 RFB is nothing more than the .221 Fireball necked to .17 caliber, with case walls straightened and a 30-degree shoulder added. If striking a bone on impact they will absolutely detonatenot only potentially ruining a valuable hide, but also creating a superficial wound that is not immediately lethal and will leave animals to suffersomething all hunters try to avoid. Give a Gift load in a winchester mod. Caleb Giddings, Marketing Manager at Taurus, introduces the all-new TaurusTX 22 Compact. I had expected chamber pressure and velocity of the factory load to be a bit lower in the improved chamber, and they were, but accuracy in my rifle was quite good. The Berger 30-grain bullet delivered only slightly better accuracy with 0.005-inch jump than with no jump, and an increase of another 0.005 inch opened up groups. The heavier bullets had much lower extreme spreads, with 43 to 45 fps for the 25-grain bullets and 30 to 66 fps for the 30-grain bullets. Wind resistance? Scott Rupp gets a chance to talk to Aaron Oelger about a few new products from Hodgdon and why reloading store shelves are empty. Patches wet with Barnes CR-10 pushed through the bore revealed a total absence of copper fouling. I have, however, owned and handloaded for the common .17s and the focus of this article will be the first, and in many ways, the finestthe .17 Remington. And for those who have grown weary of forming 17 Ackley Hornet cases from 22 Hornet brass, I have included a CFE BLK load in Hornadys 17 Hornet case. Ten grains gave 20-grain bullets a velocity of nearly 3,700 fps, which is all you can expect from such a small amount of powder. My LabRadar, which allows meeting deadlines during the endless overcast days of a northern Idaho winter, will not record speeds exceeding 4,000 fps. Rod Herrett stocked the gun, and Fred Smith fitted its 15-inch Shilen barrel. There are a variety of .17-caliber bullets for handloaders to choose from. Remington factory ammo measures 1.810 inches in length and due to a fairly long chamber throat in the test rifle, the bullet is required to free-travel 0.183 inch prior to engaging the rifling. sierra Gameking , AOL. The other top-sellers are the .17 Mach IV, .17 Rem., .17 Fireball and Hornadys .17 Hornet. AVERAGE GROUP SIZE WITH MOST ACCURATE BRAND OF AMMUNITION. The 527 has a single-set trigger with a pull of 3.5 pounds that contains some creep, but pushing the trigger forward sets it, and pull weight changes to a light one pound. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. Alliant Reloder 7, Hodgdon H-322 and Ramshot TAC were paired with this bullet. Believe me, this is important as this small-caliber case does generate significant pressure and piercing or blowing primers is a real possibility at excessive pressures. Hornady HP. When carefully prepared handloads are fired in good barrels, accuracy of the two cartridges is the same. His most successful wildcat, the .17 Hornet Improved, requires an RCBS die set for forming the case. It pushes 25-grain bullets up to 3,200 fps. The most consistent powder with this bullet proved to be A-2200, producing .52- and .46-inch groups at 4,145 and 4,226 fps with 18 and 18.5 grains of powder, respectively. The new case most likely is shorter so it can be loaded with relatively long and pointed Hornady 20- and 25-grain V-MAX bullets and still retain the same 1.723-inch overall cartridge length of the .22 Hornet. The first 10 rounds were outstanding. : 41,500 50,400 CUP Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. Longer stick propellants can bridge when flowing through purpose-designed .17 caliber powder dispensing equipment, and for this reason I always weigh my charges carefully and inspect the charged cases prior to the bullet seating operation. He has been fooling with the 17R since the year it came out. By that time most of his hearing was gone, and his daughter would answer the phone and relay the conversation back and forth between her father and the caller. Possibly one of the best varmint load - consistently under 1/4" at 100 yards is 75 grain Sierra (Speer and Remington shoot well too) with 58 grains IMR4350. Velocity from the 10.75-inch barrel of the XP-100 was just over 3,100 fps, with accuracy as good as that particular gun has ever produced. Using 17.5 grains of Reloder 10x produced a .21-inch group at 3,787 fps. Hodgdon Powder is the only current source of handloading data I could find for the new and old .17s. | Of rimfire design, it's ideal for prairie dogs, potgut gophers and most of the smaller furbearers out to a couple of hundred yards. Bob Meinert, FN Marketing Director, introduces FN's first commercial pistol suppressor, the FN Rush 9Ti. Adding 5 grains of bullet weight slows the pace to 3,750 fps but results additional large-target reliability. The Gunsmith should have the rifle in my hot little hands in about 2 weeks. The trim die squeezes the neck down to .17 caliber, and its hardened surface allows squaring up the mouth of the case with a fine-tooth file. In addition to stabilizing in a 1:16 twist, their thin jackets make them more effective on varmints than bullets of the same weight and even lighter that are constructed for cartridges of higher velocities. The .17 Mach 2 (.17 M2) cartridge is based on a CCI Stinger .22 LR case necked down to accept .17 caliber bullets. All Guns and Ammo subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. You won't be disappointed if you can find all the components. Blackout loads were extrapolated from .221 Fireball loads tested before, velocities indicating these loads came out about right, with velocities mirroring other powder choices. J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. The .17 Remington works with a wider variety of propellants than one may immediately think. I may just have to try a few of those with the 8208 powder as well. A chamber pressure of 40,600 CUP is well below the S.A.A.M.I. Here's some great load data to help you achieve the best 5-shot groups. Ackleys little cartridge, but loading CFE BLK is faster because it flows through a good powder measure with much greater uniformity in charge weight. Except for the CCI A17 load, all brands claim a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2525-2550 fps and in our chronograph testing actually delivered average MVs of 2550-2650 fps, depending on the load. While shooting, I cleaned powder fouling from their barrels after each 25-round string, but applied no additional copper solvent. He owned no powder scale and simply filled the case to the brim with IMR 4198, seated a bullet on top, and commenced to terrorize the local crow population. To barely bump back the shoulders of cases and set headspace on the shoulders, I turned the size die up a partial turn from contacting the shellholder. The .221 Fireball was created in 1959 as the initial chambering for Remington's new, unique, "space-age" XP-100 bolt-action pistol. When a Redding Handgun/Small Rifle measure is set to throw 20.0 grains of CFE BLK, it throws 16.3 grains of IMR 4198. If the rifles are compared based on the average group size achieved with their favored brand of ammo the results are as follows. A couple thousand of these discontinued bullets were acquired at a substantial savings after the Zombie craze subsided. Joe Kurtenbach and Caleb Giddings also look at the first-ever optics-ready carry revolvers with the new Taurus 605 and 856 T.O.R.O. The new rifle is built on an aluminum billet chassis with carbon-fiber forend and cheek riser featuring V-block bedding. Depending on the size of the cartridge case housing the tiny bullets, performance ranges from mostly suitable for rodents inside 200 yards to deadly on bigger predators out to 400 yards. vs 9.3x62 Cartridge Clash, Browning SA-22 Challenge Semiauto Rimfire: Its History and a Review, 6 Best .300 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) Rifles, How Rifle-Shot Recoil Affects Scopes, Rings and Bases, Kimber Hunter Pro Desolve Blak - A Lightweight Heavy Hitter, Browning BLR Lightweight '81 Stainless Takedown Lever Rifle, Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC Rifle Review, Review: Springfield Armory M1A Loaded Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, RCBS ChargeMaster Lite Review: Not 'Lite' on Ability, Remington Model Seven SS HS Bolt-Action Rifle Review. This efficiency inspired some exceptional wildcat rounds, like the .20 VarTarg, and the .17 Remington Fireball (RFB) under discussion here. (See the article Compared: .17 HMR Varmint Ammunition for more details about .17 HMR ammo.). Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Primers open another interesting can of worms. Beyond that distance, the Swift was the clear winner at bucking wind and dropping whistle pigs in mid-munch. Meet the all-new Taurus Judge Executive Grade, a revolver featuring a hand-polished satin finish, presentation-grade wood grips, a brass rod front sight and an exceptional hand-tuned trigger. As with the above V-Max-equipped offerings, this load is best relegated to targets and non-edible species. The Sierra 40-grain Hornet is also quite good. He called it the .17 Pee Wee and built a dramatically scaled-down 1917 Enfield action specifically for it. Except for the CCI A17 load, all brands claim a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2525-2550 fps and in our chronograph testing actually delivered average MVs of 2550-2650 fps, depending on the load. Rem. When dropped from a powder measure, an 18.0-grain charge fills a Winchester case almost to the brim, so when applied to those two bullet weights only, the word maximum indicates that 18.0 grains is the maximum amount of CFE BLK the case will hold. Typically, groups with each rifle are fired for record by three or four Guns and Shooting Online staffers and/or contributors. Im betting the .17 Hornet will hang in there, however, because it has a ready-made home as any gun chambered for the .22 Hornet can also be chambered for the .17. Several five-shot groups fired at 100 yards measured less than 0.250 inch. The Hornets velocities are about 500 fps slower than the Fireballs. In this cartridge, an overcharge of a fraction of a grain, particularly when working with near maximum loads, can produce excessive pressuresso a little extra care in this step is essential. CFE BLK shined, with 16 grains of powder producing a .45-inch group at 3,792 fps, and a maximum load of 17 grains printing .50 inch at 4,091 fps. The same charge with 20-grain V-MAXes started out with an even tighter group, but I flipped out the bullet from the fourth shot, which enlarged the group to 1.09 inches at 100 yards. Remington introduced it in 1971, and soon thereafter a friend of mine bought a Model 700 BDL chambered for it. Smooth flow is also convenient to those who load on a single-stage press as it allows powder charges to be dispensed by a measure as opposed to the slower method of weighing each charge. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Chris Johnson, FN Senior Product Manager, walks us through two new FN striker-fired pistols at SHOT Show 2023: the FN 510 Tactical, chambered in 10mm Auto, and the FN 545 Tactical, chambered in .45 ACP. I can consistently keep them under an inch with this load. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 8208 is now my go to powder for the 17 Schism Feb 22, 2017 #7 bobcat93 said: I'm getting 1 1/2" -1 I'm using my cz527 Pushing 20-grain bullets to even modest velocities of 3,800 fps results in high impacts on small varmints such as ground squirrels and prairie dogs. 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