by MUSICMAAN Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:40 pm, Post I have yet to hear of them particularly other than the hassle of install and the risk of knocking them off when sweeping the wings. Isnt the longer prop a bit more prone to dings from picking up rocks, etc. by yukonbackcountry Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:31 pm, Post Both of these kits are effective, relatively easy to install, and inexpensive. Bush planes can be extremely fun and forgiving to fly. "We do a lot of low level tracking of radio tagged animals and fish. In general, the readings won't vary much within a 10 degree variance in alignment. After getting a pilot's license in October of 2013, Corey has logged around 150 hours flight time, and is working on his instrument rating, and tailwheel endorsement. This gives the wings better ground clearance when landing on unprepared runways and provides pilots better ground visibility during landing and take-off. The gross takeoff weight of the 182 continued to increase as Cessna made model changes. Three companies sell drag-reduction kits. by kevinsky18 Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:42 pm, Post The best bush planes are built to land on almost any surface, including gravel, grass, dirt, and mud landing strips located in the middle of nowhere. Lancair bought the STC from Sierra when they went belly-up. For the backcountry the added braking power and reliability of the Cleveland brake and wheel kit its also a must. Moore traveled to El Dorado Airport to pick up his "new" airplane. The Skylane was introduced in 1956 and is still in production today. 2 airhawk 29x11-10 tires. Now its doing about 138. Decreasing airframe drag is the way to increased speed. This is a huge upgrade for my flying, finally I have gauges I can trust, now it show exactly how much fuel I have in my fuel tanks, this senders are new technology and they are reliable and accurate. For an article more focused on the Katmai 182s STOL capabilities, check out Crista Worthys piece on the Katmai: Your email address will not be published. Find the best new and used aircraft for sale such as business jets, helicopters, Experimental, Warbirds and more. As I monitored the prop rpm with a tach checker, Bicknell flew a full-throttle, maximum-rpm speed run at 1,500 feet msl over Winter Haven, Florida. The capabilities of the airplane made it a natural for modifying it has a strong engine, an airframe that is not only large but can carry reasonable weight, and it's safe and easy to fly. Currently installing a Sportsman STOL kit on my 182-K and curious if any of you are also flying with VG's? When the shop called them to order the three aileron hinge halves, they said they don't get many calls for the 182 parts (mostly 206 and others), and they'd have to fabricate a set. Stock tires were 5.00 x 6 on the nose and 6.006 in the mains. I really do recommend Phillips aviation oils. Do get the 7.0 on the nose did you install a new nose fork? Charlie Siebel, a retired Cessna engineer, developed the Flight Bonus kit that is now sold by Horton STOLcraft in Wellington, Kansas. The vids are great. Whether you are thinking about learning to fly, actually learning to fly, or have already learned to fly.. our newsletter offers value, inspiration and fun for anyone! Backup vacuum systems are available. Beware The Numbers This predictable scenario has resulted in a number of fatal accidents. Absolute love my Robertson kit. The 182 has seen many variants in its lifetime including a retractable gear model, a turbocharged model, and most recently, a diesel engine model. 1.7k views | By Hangar.Flights Contributor | Last updated on February 11, 2023. For a look at all the current STCs, visit the FAA's Web site ( http://av-info.faa.gov/stc/). My stall warning also comes off early , like at 55 to 60, and stalls at 40. Also, what inspired the paint job? Forgot your password? CubCrafters was born. Just to add another data point: I haven't noticed any difference in cruise speed since installing the Sportsman either. Combine your new WING-X STOL kit with Monarch auxilliary fuel cells, approved on most single engine Cessna aircraft. MT propeller very easy to repair, you just need some epoxy. Several bush pilots have described the Otters incredible range as a reason for preferring the aircraft over other bush planes. My stall horn goes off too soon in my opinion. 9 Affordable Personal Aircraft for Airplane Buyers on a Budget. I observed none. It made me wonder how easy it would be to break or let loose a VG while I'm scraping frost off. Siebel, now deceased, advertised that his kit would increase the cruise speed of 1962 through 1982 airplanes from 12 to 18 knots, depending on the year model. Nate. William I think the Peterson 182 should perform better than my airplane, they can fly at a flatter angle than mine, I have talked to a pilot who owns one but he never does backcountry flying with it so we could not compare, Having said that , I have seen Todd Peterson videos of the backcountry and we approach at the same speeds to the same strips, mine is even slower some times, I try to keep it very light weight. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. As Steve has mentioned, I should practice landings until I can hit 630' at full gross, but then the question of landing speed comes in. To find out, we installed Micro AeroDynamics VGs on a 1966 Cessna 182J that had been modified with a Bush STOL kit-a cuffed wing leading edge and stall fences. Seaplanes West, of Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada, has an STC to install Aerocet 3500L floats on 1962 through 1986 models. I have enjoyed your videos and I am considering the sportsman STOL for my 182. Any advice or suggestions on proper rigging for the early Cessna wing with the Sportsman or is this significant a speed loss to be expected? The DHC-2 Beaver is a perennial favorite of Canadas bush pilots due to its enormous load-hauling capacity, gutsy performance, and impressive STOL capabilities. Design and development [ edit ] The Wren 460 traces its history to the Skyshark, a modification of the earlier Robertson Skylark SRX-1 , built by James Robertson, son of Robertson Aircraft Corporation founder William B. Robertson, in the late 1950s. Initially called King Beaver by de Havilland, the DHC-3 Otter is a larger and more powerful replacement to the successful DHC-2 Beaver. Obtaining a partner in the airplane is one way. Most 182 owners are familiar with the more common modifications such as speed mods, STOL kits, and engine horsepower upgrades, but how many know of an STC to install floats, or of one to install a large observer window in the left side of the fuselage? Country of Manufacture: United States of America, Manufacturer: de Havilland Canada, Viking Air, Max Cruise speed: 184.5 210 mph (297-228 kph, 160-182 kn), Range: 886.8-919.6 mi (1,427-1,480 km, 771-799 nmi), Manufacturer: Pilatus Aircraft, Fairchild Aircraft, Role: STOL Passenger and Utility Aircraft. The Skylane is generally equipped with a 230 hp engine which gives it about a 145-knot cruise. A recent inventory shows that 12,874 182s are currently registered in the United States. S7Aerospace. Current tires are 8.50sx6 in the mains and 7.006 in the nose Bush planes also provide commercial transportation services, medical services, and evacuation and fight forest fires. Cessna also makes purpose-built freighter variants known as the 208B Cargomaster operated by FedEx. The company was founded in 1980 by Jim Richmond, who one day came back from a trip to Alaska, sold his home insulation business and decided to start rebuilding Cubs. We offer full parts, service, installation kits and support for the following Cessna aircraft models: Series 10 and 12: 150 / 152 172 180 / 182 185 Series 12 / 13 / 15 and 79: 206 / 207 / T207 210 / T210 / P210 Please download our PDF brochure for detailed performance and design information. It is the perfect plane for short bush hops in the remote African wilderness. The wings are rigged to factory setup currently. I had the Horton STOL with flap gap seals and VGs , it had good control at slow speeds most likely thanks to the VGs, at 60 mph approaches it felt like sinking from under you. Is that speed airspeed, based on your pitot system? 17. Thanks for doing the homework for us. STCed electric motor-driven systems by Airborne, of Elyria, Ohio, and Aero Safe, of Granbury, Texas, are installed on many IFR airplanes. Re: Best STOL Mods, Cessna 182. by bring me the horizon Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:31 pm. Whitey Hostetler at Red Lake Seaplane Service in Red Lake, Ontario, Canada, has STCs to install Edo floats on 1956 through 1971 182s, and Wipaire, in Inver Grove Heights, Minnesota, has a float STC for late-model Cessna 182s. They are used for tourism, including African safari tours and search and rescue operations. The aircraft features a taildragger undercarriage design that is an essential element for successful bush planes. We put the plane in a hangar and melted the frost. Cleveland wheels and brakes. Lori MacNichol has been teaching mountain flying for a couple of decades and runs a good school. I heard many pilots say that their VGs didnt do anything for their airplane, I say you didnt fly it slow enough to feel the difference it makes, go slow it down and you will be surprised. Have you ever seen or talked to the pilot of a Peterson modded 182? For people who prefer to buy the aircraft as a kit to assemblethemselves, CubCrafters offers the Carbon Cub EX, a kit version of the Carbon Cub SS. When the query menu comes up, type "3A13" in the type certificate (TC) window. I just finished installing the Sportsman on a 182A. Today. behavior is apparent. The third most desired information is related to reducing the direct operating costs. Would you guys suggest the rebuilding of the io-470 with upgraded HP? Seating configuration: bush planes are designed to seat between one or fifteen passengers depending on the aircraft size and purpose. He has installed STOL kits on them and thinks highly of them. Certified for: Cessna 150, 152, 172, 175, 182, 205, 206, 207 Related Items or 2,650 lb. A primary advantage of the 208 Caravan bush plane interior is that it can be configured as a cargo compartment. The 182 without modifications is a pretty good STOL airplane. It contains helpful information for individuals interested in becoming bush pilots and those just curious about bush planes. Wing-X STOL - Stene Aviation Wing-X STOL Wing extension STOL CONVERSION is approved on most CESSNA single engine aircraft. what would be nice is a Peterson with an MT prop. Learn more about Mailchimp's privacy practices here. We believe that by sharing personal experiences we gain insight and become better pilots. It might be as MTV states the interference with the pitot tube. Im having a HUD mounted in my 206 and Im wondering about placement. The Robertson STOL (R/STOL) for 182 added a wing cuff, that showed an increase in cruise speed by about 5 kts. Amphibious bush planes can land on water, and they also have retractable undercarriages for landing on solid surfaces. The undercarriage can be fitted with skis or floats to increase the Skywagons versatility. I sent my engine to PPonk to get an upgraded more powerful engine, when Stve m the owner of the shop , saw the insides of my engine he told me it was of the best he has ever seen, cylinders still had the honing, and I was able to sell them for $1,500 to someone who wanted to overhaul them. Have you modified your aircraft? SA4302WE SA4303WE SA2256WE 150A 182 170B 150B 182A 172,172A-L 150C 182B 172M,N,P,Q 150D 182C P172D 150E 182D R172K,172RG 150F 182E 175,175A-C 150G 182F 180,180A-H 150H 182G 180J,K 150J 182H 185,185A-E 150K 182J A185E,A185F 150L 182K 205,205A 150M 182L 206,P206 A150M 182M P206A-E 152 182N U206 A152 182P U206A-G 182Q TP2 More 182s have been pushed out the doors at the Cessna factory in Wichita than any other general aviation airplane except two the Cessna 172 and the Cessna 150. I havent ever had the opportunity to fly a standard 182 I have, however, had the awesome chance to fly a. I have always loved the Cessna 182 Skylane as it represents General Aviation in a very timeless and classic way. Siebel, now deceased, advertised that his kit would increase the cruise speed of 1962 through 1982 airplanes from 12 to 18 knots, depending on the year model. The Cessna 206H Stationair can be regarded as the workhorse of general aviation, and it can be found flying over large American towns or remote communities in the jungles of Indonesia. Using current fuel prices of $1.64 for unleaded auto fuel and $2.50 for avgas, and assuming a 13-gallon-per-hour fuel burn, the cost of the STC would be recaptured in fewer than 20 hours of flight time. More horsepower will increase your airplane's climb performance, but claims for quantum increases in cruise speeds should be viewed with a grain of salt. Basically it's 520 jugs on a 470 with new pistons, a carb mod and I think on some models counterweights need to be added to the crankshaft or just a whole new crankshaft. by CamAero Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:57 am, Post I am addicted to back country/off airport flying. Start your free trial today! STOL kit and VGs barely lost 2 kts if anything, Bigger tires is where you loose more speed, about 6 knots when I removed the wheel pants and put larger tires. Mostly interested in the combination and how this may affect any posted numbers. Same here, no change in cruise after sportsman. For more information or to arrange for a demonstration ride, contact Peterson's Performance Plus Inc., 1465 Southeast 30th, Municipal Airport, El Dorado, Kansas 67042; telephone 316/320-1080; fax 316/321-3842; or visit the Web site ( www.260se.com). But, I wanted to highlight an airplane really quick before the day ends. And then the kicker. Drag-reduction kits enable Cessna 182 owners to get the benefits of a faster airplane without purchasing a new airplane or incurring retractable-gear insurance premiums. The 170 was a best-selling four-place aircraft in the years following World War II. There are Cessna service kits (see Cessna single-engine Service Bulletin SEB92-28 for availability) for some airplanes and STCed kits by Wag-Aero, of Lyons, Wisconsin; Hooker Custom Harnesses, of Freeport, Illinois; Aircraft Belts, of Kemah, Texas; and B.A.S. The DHC-6 Twin Otter bears de Havilland Canadas hallmark of rugged reliability and longevity. I've done a fair bit of research, and it seems the ART Wing extensions give the best bang for the buck. Distance to clear 50': 920'. Did you go to a larger fork and front wheel? Peterson says he's having a lot of fun because he believes in his product and is confident that the 260SE is a very safe airplane. Upgross to 2950lbs, 25% reduced takeoff run on floats, easy install. I believe the best STOL kit is the Sportsman STOL which includes gap seals, a drooped leading edge cuff and wing tips. Did you ever fly your plane with Horton STOL before it had VGs? After having flown the Horton and the Robertson, I believe sportsmen plus VG's, or even just the sportsman, is probably the best setup for a 182. by 182-SS Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:52 pm, Post It has impressive STOL capabilities as the DHC-2 Beaver, making it a popular bush plane with military and civil defense operators. The Cessna Pilots Association in Santa Maria, California (800/343-6416 or www.cessna.org), is recognized for its expertise on behalf of its members. 8.50 x 6 mains with a heavy duty nose fork, and 7.00x 6 tire. It's marketed by Stene of Polson, MT> Here is a link to an article on the Hawk XP: www.cessnaflyer.org/flighttraining/item/.e-r172k-hawk-xp.html . Its larger and wider and it works as an airbrake when at full pitch and no power, which helps for steep approaches Better climb, quieter. Maybe fly a triangle with ground speed averages and see fit there is an actual change in the KTAS average. Learn more, Cessna Flyer Association1042 N Mountain Ave Suite B #337Upland, CA91786Phone: 626-844-0125, Cessna Flyer Association 2004-2022 All Rights Reserved. These tanks are permanent and will never have a wrinkle that hides water. AOPA members considering this should realize that there are some struggles with going the auto fuel route, including the need for using leaded avgas during certain operations; the hassle, liability, and danger of transporting, handling, and loading auto fuel; the restrictions some airports impose on auto fuel users; and the limitations of the fuel. The 206H Stationair powerful 310 hp Lycoming engine can handle any load hauling task you throw at it. . Brand new Airglass fork with STC. Itll be short But Ill make it as sweet as I can. The Cessna 185 Skywagon bush plane is everything you expect from a Cessna, an aircraft manufacturer renowned for making excellent bush planes. Consolidated Fuel Systems, a division of Kelly Aerospace, in Montgomery, Alabama, has bought the old Rajay turbocharger installations that, according to the original STC, can be installed on any of the carbureted O-470-series-engines in 182s.