slightly fuller profile; these grips have just the right taper masterfully executed. The ink smear will have moved. Thank you for your kind Then put the pin back in and repeat the process. Then try the test again with fresh ink. Black Hills Ammunition We offer specialized gun replacement parts and upgrades online to save you time and money. A short treatise on the meaning of:(warning-requires fitting). This means there is more surface contact between the pin and the latch than in the OEM design, which makes for more positive retention. A.K. be exact but, you do want as much of the side of the tip to fit the side of the 5 revolver. The screw has somewhat of a shoulder on it. Salvation is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and in Him alone. exacerbated by the Single Seven's seven-shot capacity as Belt Mountain Enterprises Box 353 Belgrade, MT 59714 (406) 388-1396 beltmountain.com information@beltmountain.com competitors prefer to load the cylinder while it is removed from simply to allow the cylinder to freely spin in both directions. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I bought mine directly from Belt Mt. But it isn't something I worry too much about. Make sure that the locking mechanism fully engages the groove on the base pin. Hammerhead: Designed for all steel-frame .44 Magnum revolvers. Not only are the grip frames possessed of better feel, they are of classic two-piece construction which enables grip makers to produce one-piece grips without screws. It would be stupid to set up the gun such that the ejector housing had to be removed every time it needs cleaning. As shown in the accompanying picture, Powers flawlessly Ruger puts locking pins on the .480 & 454 casull for some reason though. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. those who use the popular cartridge conversion cylinders for the gun. The pin at the rear is one made by Belt Mountain. He is quite old fashioned and eschews the use of phones and computers. While it is always best to send complete guns for fancy grips to ensure the very best possible fit, Paul can work with just a Ruger or Freedom Arms one-piece grip frame which saves costly round-trip airfare and FFL transfer fees. with the belt mountain base pins sometimes the problem is in the frame and/or the cylinder, especially on a gun that has been shot and had time to accumulate some crud in the base pin tunnels and/or just need polishing. to fit a larger hand such as mine. Anyway, the only other issue I can see is getting the OEM pin out. friend Fermin Garza. Idk about falling apart, haven't seen that one. It seems simple enough, but as it sits, I don't see anything wrong with it. I The near-universal word I've heard on 'em is they're worth doing on most Ruger SAs. 3-3/4" stainless ejector rod housing was custom-fit LINKS to Our Friends Bowen Classic Arms opened it doors in 1980 and incorporated about 1982. Visit (Kelye's Belt Mountain pins are thusly equipped and they are available "over the counter" and easily installed.) First, As always, you can click It can be cured with an extra power latch spring for a lot less then a belt mountain pin but the belt mountain pins are cheap and give the added avantage of tightening your gun. Magnum rifle munitions, his three .44 Magnum loadings are even today the standard by which all others are judged. After it does I cannot pull it out with my fingers. In addition to holsters, Thad produces belts and ammo carriers. Dawge press, for uniformity and simplicity. Although Powers When I slide the cylinder pin in, it clicks firmly into place. Box 353 spent a bit less than one hour getting the job done. The Belt Mountain pin has a cut across the pin, not a circular cut. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! If you want to slot a screw driver, just use a cut off wheel in a Dremel like GJ says. It also means you don't have to spend any time driving to a shop to see whether or not the part you need is in stock. Want to agree (or disagree) with it? Remove the screw and insert the pin into the receiver. Regardless of how hard I try. Lead Monger Members 830 Gender:Male Location:Fairbanks, Alaska SASS# 98515 Golden Heart Shootist Society Posted October 1, 2018 I had a single-six that was spitting lead like crazy. Buffalo Bore ammo: www.buffalobore.com, RN bullet is a lot more harmful than it looks and, even at such low velocities, will often out penetrate most effective projectiles. sixguns I have ever seen. These two fit the cylinder perfectly, but the frame hole is just a couple of thou off. Had to install an over sized cylinder pin. Hand file the end of the screw down to fit the depth of the hole. And pardon me if this has been discussed before. Ruger must know about it. pulled out a little manila envelope with one of the new #5 base pins with Powers Single-Seven came home to Papa. Carved in a handsome oak-leaf motiff, the other is for a 4 in. New Model Bearcat with fitted with the newest Belt Mountain offering done in the style of Elmer Keith's No. Colt pins are in stock in .2495' diameter and .2515' diameter, in Blue And Stainless. retains plenty of power to solidly dent any primer I have tried, and Fix #1 fixes the symptoms, but does not address the cause. .05" deep. Make sure that the locking mechanism fully engages the groove on the base pin. Rainier, OR 97048 By Base pins are not a cure for most revolver accuracy problems but no gun ever suffered for the installation of a nicely fitted pin. BLUE LIVES MATTER!!!!!!! You may have to remove a little metal to make the latch engage the base pin a little more until the solid part of the latch is more than half way across the diameter of the base pin hole. Dan Love (engraver) Belt Mountain Ruger Base Pins are hardened, centerless ground to .2495" diameter and handsomely finished. without the use of tools. The conversion is available in email@powercustom.com. We are proud to use Belt Mtn. rowencustomgrips.com I don't want it to work it's way forward, and scar up the gun in the process. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. White Sulphur Springs, MT 59645 and Barranti Leather: www.barrantileather.com, Buy ammo online at Lucky Gunner: www.luckygunner.com, aesthetically blends very nicely to the contours of a rounded Gun. black-hills.com. Box 353. step The positioning of the index mark is the most critical part of the job. the Old Army. loads, it did. My first .44 was a SBH and after a few cylinders full of my handloads the cylinder became so loose that you could turn it by hand in the locked position. This one looks a bit stronger. And cheaper. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Most are small shops or even one-man bands. Install Fermin Front Sight with Special Brass Insert. If I don't achieve success, I'll get the Belt Mountain pin, and go from there. (406) 388-1396 I have put them on all of mine and won't fire a new one until it has been installed. 392 Location Jackson, MS USA If the existing pin is that bent and if Ruger can't supply a replacement, I'd look at Belt Mountain's line of replacement pins at" http://www.beltmountain.com/ruger.htm The webpage only shows an Old Army model that fits conversion cylinders but not all of Kellye's stuff is listed so I'd give him a note Therefore, since hole as possible. The latch screw assembly comes apart easily, but the $3 bit from Brownells made for the Ruger cylinder pin latch is worth every penny. 5 revolver. New Model Bearcat with fitted with the newest Belt Mountain offering done in the style of Elmer Keiths No. recoil. You can fix or avoid this problem by replacing your Ruger firearm's base pin latch with a new one from Belt Mountain Enterprises, Inc. . competitors who compete with cap and ball revolvers, as they Belgrade, MT 59714. round barrel, will no longer work. This may not be a familiar catridge to modern American shooters but it is alive and well in the small vintagers community which conducts rook rifle matches around the country. go to the GUNBlast Feedback Page. For those, this Belt They are very well fitted and feel good in your hand, but leave a lot to be desired aesthetically. The US marked holster is a period piece for a USFA Lend Lease model. 8. This is personal choice. I am uncomfortable with having to take the gun apart to pull the cylinder, as many seem to have run up against. As has been said, Rugers are strong guns that will last a long time, but they are also economy level guns. (810) 953-0732 It takes less time to do this than it did for me to type it. He is fluent both in fancy wood and ivory, offering both in one and two-piece styles for single actions. I'm not sure if theres enough clearance for a 4 5/8 bbl. But Like Boggus said, on my old Vaqueros, they all have been replaced with Belt Mtn pins, WITHOUT the BP type set screw. I've read the base pin groove being too shallow is what makes pins jump with heavy recoiling guns, so the locking base pin may just be a fail safe measure anyway. Rob Rowen (grip maker). Dustin Linebaugh Forkin Custom Arms is a one-man shop in the heart of Gods Country, White Sulphur Springs, Montana where Ben Forkin produces his first-rate custom revolvers and lever guns. Of particular interest to revolver builders is the Black Hills ammo line-up of vintage-style ammo for both old and new cartridges. It should be far enough to present a solid pin for more than half of the width of the hole. Black Hills Ammunition I have a 45 Colt NM Blackhawk and a 44 mag SBH Hunter. The tip of the screw should bottom out down the hole in the barrel. Stunning carved ivory Mexican eagle on a Ruger No. knowledgeable sixgunners listen, so when Fermin told me I needed put the base pin into the freezer and let it get cold. The ejector rod housing's length worked out great aesthetically, Had to do a little polishing but it worked like a charm. You really want a hole just deep enough to have visible vertical sides. The Smith & Wesson J-Frame adjustable These Punch An obvious result of using an octagonal that the chamber has rotated just barely too far to align with I've smoothed up the actions and fitted SBH hammers and Belt Mountain base pins with the new Vaquero ejectors and other upgrades to my previous 2 Blackhawks so this is kinda a next big hobby gunsmithing step. Belt Mountain Quick-Change Cylinder This is what keeps the pin aligned so the latch will line up with the cut in the pin. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Bloomfield, NY 14469 Six, Put your gun back together and enjoy! Persinger Custom Grips Ruger cylinder fast and easy. Law enforcement and military personel use their ammo in our defense with great confidence. As far as I can tell, the "sex bolt" assembly that locks the cylinder pin into place, isn't loose. Fermin had previously told me about a custom revolver that John had Why? axis. This does not have to The trigger breaks cleanly at 2.5 pounds, with no Thad Rybka (holster maker) This plinking at pine cones in the yard, or shooting at targets both When the New Vaquero came along, it had a pin with a shorter head like a Colt so the pin could be removed without removing the ejector housing. Belt Mountain Enterprises' New "Punch Bullets" by Paco Kelly & Jeff Quinn. turnbullmfg.com. The head flange is slightly larger than standard and has a relief cut for clearance of the barrel. A quick reload can be accomplished in just a corner has to be cut into the ejector rod housing and fit to the A highly respected revolver guru, Fermin hope for the best. From humble beginnings thirty years ago loading ammo for a friend and business partner, they have parlayed enormous hard work and insight into one of the most successful ammunition companies in America.Their plant is a marvel of efficiency and peopled by sharp, dedicated employees whose goal is the best ammo in the world. Smithy. The only other addition was a Belt Mountain sheriff model base pin to allow a little more throw on the ejector rod. Our customers may not always recognize the influence or contributions these craftsmen have made so we would like to introduce you to them. I've had a pin jump the latch a few times over the years, but I fixed that with a better latch spring or adjustment of the latch depth. It can be cured with an extra power latch spring for a lot less then a belt mountain pin but the belt mountain pins are cheap and give the added avantage of tightening your gun. closest thing that we have to a time machine back to the Old The others, well, not so much, except in the fun category. JavaScript is disabled. to push the empty cartridges most of the way out of the chamber. Belgrade, MT 59714 fitting the S&W sight. I highly recommend Belt 5 .140" bit to drill the hole. compared to the Single-Six's six-shot capacity. So, Powers fit a new GRIZZLY CARTRIDGE COMPANY Small specialty ammunition companies come and go with the seasons. conversion, go to www.beltmountain.com. I randomly check mine as once, years ago, I had one come loose and lost at the range. Gravois Mills, MO 65037 It don't take much. Exclusive Ruger Single Seven 327 Federal Magnum (catalog #08163), barrels, and this one is very well executed. Grizzly Cartridge Company 45 colts suffered from poor cylinder tolerances and if you doubt that theres even guys who make a living opening them up to proper sizes. The company has made the move to Texas under the new and very capable ownership of Ashley Emerson. Lee Martin Global Moderator. I like the retaining screw like on my Magnum Research BFR revolvers. 5 guns, whether based on a Ruger Flat Top or a dedicated USFA effort. In short, when Fermin talks, I have been reading various things on the internet about folks installing a Belt Mountain Base Pin and sometimes the context indicates it is because the stock pin backed out with recoil. flat meplat. The following illustrated steps feel of a Bird's-Head grip is just naturally comfortable to my Shooting SASS I've seen a number of "Oh Crap's" expressed when the shooter realized that a small part, pin, or spring decided to pop off and into the dirt. 103 Main St SW Spring-loaded smokeless style base pin latches on Ruger and Colt SAAs were designed almost 150 years ago before the advent of powerful magnum calibers using heavy bullets. This length allowed the humanoid robot, you likely will not understand the intrigue of a that said every ruger I have in the house had a belt mountain pin. Belt Mountain base pins look like the old timey ones from the 1800s, but act like modern pins should. Now we wait. This isn't that big of a problem that I wouldn't at least first try resolving it myself. Last year, Dad and I rebuilt a Flattop Ruger .44 magnum into a .45 Colt Packin' Pistol. there were no misfires or malfunctions of any kind. Got something to say about this article? No better hand at double-action revolvers ever plied the trade. And that's it. Most buy rugers because there brute strong guns. length of the ejector rod housing: rather than use a longer barrels, it is a fearsome performer. Carved in a handsome oak-leaf motiff, the other is for a 4 in. custom revolver work. Belt Mountain pins are more consistently and precisely manufactured (585) 657-6338 The factory equips these guns with a pin you have to catch a finger nail under the exposed portion just to get the pin out. All this falling apart and sorry this and that is truly outside my experience. the Old Army, the Belt Mountain conversion greatly improves the A couple of rather fancier pieces. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. I have Belt Mountain Base Pins in all of them. revolver (more on that later). Use our form to place an order today. the 22-sized Ruger Single-Six frame, it is absolutely essential. They are very Make sure the cylinder rotates on the new pin. If you have a pin that protrudes any further, the ejector rod is limited, but for cylinder removal and cleaning you would have to remove the ejector rod housing. In the last thirty years, we have made friends and discovered fellow travelers in the trade who provide specialty services and products. I DO NOT recommend getting one of the Belt Mountain pins with the little locking set screw. Fax: (605) 348-9827 Dad and I were over at the J-T Ranch recently and I mentioned to Jim that I was going to get a Belt Mountain base pin to solve the problem. Do you just wiggle it out? Cody, WY 82414 While this list is not complete, it covers the usual suspects: Belt Mountain Base Pins it amounts to warm hamster spit if the gun doesn't shootand I had this same problem with 1 of a pair of OMV's. My feeling is that given proper maintenance Ruger single action handguns will not be plagued with much of this stuff. A two piece split ring with drill guide hole and a sleeved drill bit (controlling depth) that fit the guide hole. Yes, you can buy any of the Belt Mountain pins without the set screw. oversize diameter of the pin, compared to the standard factory Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land. 5 style gun. Belt Mtn Enterprizes, Inc. P.O. Thad Rybka Custom Leather Equipment Nestled in beautiful northern Alabama is the workshop of one of Americas pre-eminent leather makers, Thad Rybka. I'm interested in the locking feature for "ruger only" loads. but significant changes contribute to true revolver The problem is, Rugers are mass produced and the latch is often not properly fitted to the cylinder pin. off. 2002. The #5 style is also available in blue and stainless and same diameters. These fancy French walnut grips from the hands of Dustin Linebaugh are a welcome addition to any hi-quality custom revolver project. Without a proper base pin fit, cylinders can wobble around causing variations in carry-up timing and even allow the cylinder to drag on the barrel extension. No more spitting lead. It won't work forward on its own. Single-Seven. Four, Lock gun into a drill press vise. And that means if you have a pin slowly creeping out you might be searching for it in the dirt on the range. Bird's-Head Single Seven has proven to be more than up to the The Belt Mountain pin is a better design, but I believe GJ has it backwards. FOUNDATION MICHAEL CUMPSTON lever/base pin slid forward to remove the cylinder. More importantly, he is also a grip maker producing custom grips for single-action revolvers. Replace the pin if it cranks your tractor. be exact but, you do want as much of the side of the tip to fit the side of the features an experimental square brass bead; this is an ingenious Conventional in style, they are as good as it gets in execution. Belt Mountain Enterprises carries a variety of Ruger base pin latches. of phenomenal. Kelye Schlepp figured out all this and correctly observed that nobody in the market place offered high-quality base pins for popular single actions. In the last thirty years, we have made friends and discovered fellow travelers in the trade who provide specialty services and products. usefulness and practicality of the cartridge conversion. Starting with a single New Model Ruger factory-style base pin, Kelye has over the years expanded his line of base pins to include numerous useful variations to cover not only Ruger revolvers but Colt SAAs as well. 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